Thread:Locke107/@comment-26412845-20150702214607/@comment-26479344-20150703004236

Ushi actually rates her decently and he loves Elimo -- but he gives her a lower overall score than both Edea, Aaron and a number of other units. As far as the above JP Tier list, none of it is supported by math and some of his edits have been proven to be incorrect. There are so many team combinations that very few units are "best-in-class".

Aaron's UBB rivals, and in many situations actually outclasses Elimo. 75% dmg reduction for 3 turns as well as 15 BC instant fill and 15 BC per turn for 3 turns and on top of all of that actually deals damage. Elimo negates status ailments which can be achieved by Kanon, Elimo also heals which can be achieved by Feeva/Griel/others.

^ Winner: Aaron

As far as drop checks go vs. Elimo's small BC gauge - Aaron's BB has 30 DC while his SBB has 18. I've heard about it getting down to 2 BC but I thought it required specific high-level spheres as well as certain bb reduction LS's involved. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but *if* you need certain spheres and LS to make that work -- you've already severly pigeonholed yourself into making her a niche unit rather than the versality you're saying she does well. That means the only time Elimo would out-do another high-level 7* mitigator like Aaron would be *if* you had those high-level spheres and the LS/other units present to make it work.

^ Winner: Hard to say. If you can explain the conditions needed for 2 BC BB/SBB, I'll be able to be more sure. I know she gets 20% BC cost reduc from her ES but what else does it require? I'd assume something like an Elder Hat (which is Arena Rank like upper 60's)? Until then though, Aaron BC holds it's own. Especially if Elimo user doesn't have those spheres.

For status clearing, you can't just say it's okay to leave a unit with status. Too heavily depends on what status and on what unit. Is it your spark/crit buffers turn to refresh? Do you need to re-apply REC to DEF or DEF to ATK buffs? Too many variables, but most of the time leaving a unit paralyzed, cursed, or under the effects of weakness isn't a smart move at all -- especially if it's multiple units it happens to. Having to force between cleansing 2-3 paralyzed units or giving them 140% DEF with a lost turn where they can't do damage or generate BC is really bad. With Aaron, every SBB gives him 80% DEF buff, which is 80% more than Elimo if she has to spend the turn cleansing status instead of re-applying DEF. You could argue and say that Elimo/Edea (2 spaces) would solve the majority of the issues I'm describing because Edea would clear status while Elimo heals and gives 140% DEF buff... but then I'd just say you'd be better off with Aaron and Kanon because you would be in terms of damage, BC gen and consistent protection (status null and 140% DEF). I do have to say though, Edea is pretty amazing even if she has the slowest BB fill speed of any offensive mitigator.

^ Winner: Aaron/Kanon > Elimo/Edea unless you have a fight like Michele GGC where you NEED injury buffs to help against RNG like Lodin nuking you and then Edea/Elimo would be a better combo. But stuff like that are niche situations, not a A-team all-the-time situation.

You and others keep saying "1 unit filling 3 slots" but she isn't doing it well. That implies that she can adequately perform all of their roles under any condition and she absolutely cannot for all of the above reasons. She fills 3 roles moderately under PERFECT conditions, which we all know isn't how BF Trials/Raids/GGC/GQ work. She is a jack-of-all-trades and a master of few. It's her biggest strength and in-turn her biggest weakness. So in a balanced team, I will more often than not be better off without Elimo. She has her place, just not the absolute best choice in as much content as you think.

I guess my primary point goes back to what I said in the beginning, there are a ton of different types of teams. Crit teams, Survivability teams, BB Dmg % teams, Spark+ teams, that's kind of the beauty of having so many units. Sometimes Elimo will be good and other times she will not. You act like I'm "perceiving" flaws, but I'm just pointing out critical issues with her that other people chose to ignore because of poor "Elimo OP. No discussion." mindsets.

I will agree with you that she could be very useful in tough content where you need to be a very tanky team, but there are others who do her job just as well if not better in most of the game's overall content.

Feel free to reply, I enjoy a good discussion.