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BlackRowbot wrote: DeathByStaccato wrote:

BlackRowbot wrote:

DeathByStaccato wrote:

MikeyMoo McWhat wrote:

DeathByStaccato wrote:

MikeyMoo McWhat wrote: Thanks to RealArity for the advice. I have some follow-up questions, however.

I've just picked up Rengaku, who on paper looks pretty awesome. How does he fit into squads? Replacement for Kulyuk / Avant perhaps ?

Also, Lance. I'm pretty sure it's thanks to him that even the Ishgria EX bosses are doing trivial amounts of damage (squad usually with Krantz (L) / Selena / Mifune / Kulyuk / Avant). He's my starter unit from all those moons ago and he's got the highest DEF of all my units. Is he as worth it as I think?

Speaking of Ishgria EX, I'm stuck on Kalon in Fal Nerga. Am I going to have to take Hadaron as my UoC? Get in the sea, Kalon. Get in the sea. :( Rengaku is decent but his main niche lies in OD fill. Most people don't use him anymore as they have better units. He is still good though.

Ishgria EX bosses are designed for 7* units. Having full OE almost guarantees success beyond gimmicks. Currently, Lance is heavily outclassed, but he still has a good kit if you don't have units that are better.

My advice for the EX is to bring a burny and let it die, and then it'll be revived and you can revive your other units. I've got Avant and Sirius pretty much maxed, so I think I'll leave Rengaku for now. I never remember to use ODs anyway :p Just picked up Hisui, who looks like he'll become a good replacement for Lance. F2P though, so could take a while...

So, with a team of Avant, Sirius, Selena, Kulyuk and Krantz, how do I look? been seeing a few comments on Zero's usefulness with a decent SP setup, but would I be mismatching his buffs in this here team? What other units do you have? Avant is bad outside of frontier hunter and frontier gate, and a lot of those units clash. Hisui is a very good mitigator, but it really depends on the team. Sometimes Krantz will be better. Rarely, Elimo will be better, but the whole non-attacking thing is quite the issue in most content. Avant actually has viability in a lot of content provided you can spam sbb/nuke to a certain degree. Give him an Atk->Def buffer and he's the tankiest nuker going. Apart from Sirius' and Avant's BBAtk buffs, which are the same anyway, only Krantz clashes with Selena on BC Drop Rate, so Hisui + Selena is a better combo than Krantz + Selena.

Honestly the fact that Elimo doesn't attack isn't a problem at all so long as you have good bb-management, and actually makes her extra viable for any Counter-Damage content, unlike every other Omni mitigator to date. Hell, it's not like she'd be brought along in a squad for damage purposes lmao. Elimo has always been referred to for hard content like trials, as her role is to provide recovery and survival buffs where you need them most, which she does exceedingly well, so she honestly has no need to attack.

Avant isn't a nuker outside of FH and FG. Almost all his CRIT buffs do nothing because they're resisted in almost all forms of hard content. You can say the same thing about Mifune for the ATK>DEF, you still shouldn't use him outside of farming, arena and coliseum.

I also don't only mean Elimo's self damage. You lose out on a lot of spark damage from all the teammates, and even then you're losing out of damage Elimo could do. Plus, you're losing BC drops. She's only outright better in reflect content, which is quite rare. You miss out on a lot of things by not attacking; saying 'she doesn't need to attack' doesn't really mean a lot.

Most of her buffs are quite easily covered anyway. She's quite good but I'd never say she's outright better than any other mitigator unless the content has heavy reflect. It always depends. In case you didn't realise, Avant doesn't apply crit buffs on his SBB, yet causes a lot a personal damage being HP-based. His HP is also high enough to coincide with an Atk->Def conversion, unlike Mifune who's still a glass cannon. He's suitable for Raids and Endless as well as a result. I never said he had to be a lead.

First of all missing out on spark damage with Elimo is really the least of your worries in any hard content, damage-counter or not. Lmao even in FH, where damage is everything, people have no issue losing out on spark damage with Charla and Rozalia, so why is it an issue for Elimo in places like Trial, Endless, or Raid? Secondly, seeing as BC-Resistant content is a thing, you shouldn't be relying on BC drops anyway. That's why buffs like BC Drop Rate etc. are never seen as anything interesting because they don't take BC drop-resistance into account. You really don't miss out on a lot with Elimo not attacking so long as you have units that are better-than-average at managing BB-fill, i.e. burst fill, BBoT, BB-when-attacked etc. Arguably she's entirely interchangeable with Hisui as best mitigators depending on content imo.

Why would you use Avant there? He has BB mod and some damage. That's literally it on his SBB. And no, having decent STAT>DEF does not mean he's a good choice. A lot of units have decent STAT>DEF conversion rates.

The reason why Charla and Rozalia are used in FH is because guard frontier exists. This is in no way related to Elimo so I don't know why you're bringing it up. In there, you can sacrifice one unit's damage for a crapton more through UBB.

Elimo's buffs are easily found on other units. Krantz already does healing, mitigation, and also does light/dark buffs, attacks, increases BC/HC drops, and cleanses status ailments. He'll also have better stats than Elimo due to his ES.

Elimo's barrier is found on Ark and he's prevalent pretty much everywhere. Elimo then has HP on hit + DEF/REC to compensate for not attacking, and whatever you choose from SP. DEF/REC is already quite common, with Azurai, one of the best and most commonly used units in the game giving ATK/DEF/REC, and others like Sirius, Daze, etc etc doing it to.

Then there's the issue of not being able to take all her negates. Either you give up on negate ailments or you don't have the full negating set, which is a bit of a waste because then why not just bring someone who does fully negate? This isn't a huge problem tho, it just means teambuilding is annoying depending on content and what you've built your Elimo as.

Also there's the issue of not being able to negate three things and get her self stats.

I'm just going to skip all the negates except for status negate and get some passives. It's much better to bring another, more dedicated negator IMO.

Anyway, in the end it really depends. Unless it's damage reflect content, you can't say Elimo will always be the best. I'd still take Krantz in a lot of situations. Hell, even Stein or Johanne.