Talk:Holy Arms Douglas/@comment-62.204.164.206-20150305104712/@comment-173.76.177.112-20150306213218

they may be "weaker" but at least if they are a guardian form the dont have the attack of a ragnaberus [i checked, that things attack as breaker is HIGHER than douglas' as guardian] and well at least lario's ATK is about 200 lower than his DEF as guardian, but still workable. and lario or stya arent made for pure power, they are made for an infinite SBB team setup. they are also free units which gives both of them a plus over douglas, and are easily farmable (except that you have to wait until the vortex comes out to get stya, which can be a pain). That, and they both have a much cooler design than douglas. i still love this guy, but the design just killed it for me

and the other guy is right, elza is the better replacement for this guy, her ATK+DEF+REC (which no one gives 2 shits about) can ALL equal 2 grand with imp boosts alone and at least in her guardian form she can still have more ATK than DEF with imps

so the mini-gun god was (and is for those to be screwed over by the RNG gods) a great unit in the past, but he's been out-class by both free and rare summon units. and now i rest my case